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Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers, Study Finds - TIME

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One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink tend to die sooner than those who do.

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DeMock

The real questions is, why do doctors always give contradictory advice?

Butter, hydrolyzed trans-fat, sugar, Adkins, Sun, sun screen, drink, don't drink, drugs kill, take this pill, marijuana bad, marijuana great, etc

Are doctors trained in the art of confusion?

  • 3 votes
#1 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:35 PM EDT
boattrash

The guy/girl who finishes last in their class at med. school, is still called Doctor.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:23 AM EDT
DeMock

Boattrash - I hope you have been well... I have taken a break from the vine but have returned to "Get Smarter"

I hope life is returning to normal in your neck of the woods... :)

    #1.2 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:35 AM EDT
    boattrash

    Hope everything is good with you and family. I had noticed your absence.

    We are suffering the moratorium blues down here. We have sat at the dock for about 70 days and counting, this is more than the last 7 or 8 years combined.

    I don't know if I am any smarter.

    • 1 vote
    #1.3 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:42 AM EDT
    DeMock

    Everything is normal here...

    I hate to hear you are docked... any word on how long?

    oh - I can't help but "get smarter " ... (I don't have far to go the other way.)

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:01 AM EDT
    boattrash

    The 2nd moratorium is scheduled to end nov. 31, but they are not issuing permits for anything at this time. It shouldn't last to much longer, we are thinking should be back to normal @ jan. or when it starts affecting the gas and heating oil price, then it will be negative to politics.

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:08 AM EDT
    Matti Viikate

    Some cases it has been from the one side to the other, it is because there are new studies of those subjects. Some doctors say always the latest version of some investigation.

    More important thing is, to find out which is the the right way for that person who is in need of that information. It greatly depends which is good for different people, and which is not.

    What is good for someone, ultimately depends on very many things, every thing is altering the other things too. There is no 100% sure answer for questions is some thing good or bad for everybody, it depends on that person and circumstances.

    • 3 votes
    #1.6 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT
    DeMock

    How convenient for the politicians (both left and right) that the big decisions will be made AFTER the November elections. It seems politics has turned into a game of stalling and blaming. I wish someone would grow a set and take responsibility. Ah... my magical thinking. I hope you are able to comfortably hold on until this mess clears up!

    • 1 vote
    #1.7 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT
    boattrash

    It is not to bad on the job loss front most companies are doing what they can to retain their workers, but that is the reason it will go on till after the elections. No massive job loss to force the issue, it allows President Obama to not piss off his base by dropping the moratorium until the deadline, the republicans can not use job loss to beat them over the head before the elections.

    • 1 vote
    #1.8 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:40 AM EDT
    DeMock

    I am glad to hear you think folks are pretty secure... I hope that BP (& other oil interest) continue to do the right thing.

    • 1 vote
    #1.9 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:28 AM EDT
    boattrash

    The goverment is actually putting out regulations that will increase the work load and require more workers for some sectors of service companies. It is not all bad, but the moratorium as a whole is just a political play, but we should live through it.

    • 1 vote
    #1.10 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:05 AM EDT
    DeMock

    boattrash - I am glad to hear you say that... I worried that this was going to be like a slow motion Katrina. Even a little good is more than I expected. IMO The moratorium is a waste of folks time and livelihood. Not that I don't think it could be a good thing for the industry and environment if there was intent to do so. I just don't think there is intent to change anything... it looks like window dressing to me. I hope I am wrong but fear I am not.

    • 1 vote
    #1.11 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:28 PM EDT
    boattrash

    One regulation we are hearing is coming, is if a well has not been produced for five years it has to be permanently plugged and abandoned (P&A). Right now there are 3,500 wells that fall under this criteria. These wells are under temporary plug permits, some date back to the 50's and 60's. The new reg. requires the oil company remove infrastucture, permanently P&A the well and decommission all pipelines. This is more work than Rita and Katrina damage created combined. This will create alot of jobs for service companies, shipyards, vessel companies, engineers, offshore construction/salvage, more truck drivers, the list goes on and on. The oil companies are not happy with this, but it will help us out alot.

    There are people suffering as a result of the moratorium, it just has affected us at this point. If it turns into a never ending shut down, it will eventually affect the whole country. They could continue a back-door moratorium by not issuing permits. Which is what they are doing to the shallow water projects at this time. They claim the shallow water is open, but they are not issuing permits.

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:12 AM EDT
    DeMock

    Right now there are 3,500 wells that fall under this criteria... - boattrash

    It sounds like you think "permanently plugging" the wells is a good idea. I am asking as I don't really understand why they would leave a well in a semi operational state unless they planed to return but it looks like they abandon many like that. Is it cheaper? Do the wells ever start producing again? What is the deal?

    They could continue a back-door moratorium by not issuing permits.

    One thing I have noted in Obama is a willingness to make decisions which are not popular with his base or even the country if he feels it is logical to do so. I am thinking of Guantanamo bay, Iraq, Afghanistan. He also seems to want all the "data"... like the report on "don't ask, don't tell" before doing anything. Sort of the opposite of Bush... perhaps to deliberate... My guess is he will end the moratorium on right at the deadline. I hope so anyhow.

    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:03 PM EDT
    boattrash

    I like the idea for the purely selfish reasons that it will create more work, jobs and provide me with a little more job security. There is no proof that the temp plugs are not sufficient, the platforms and old pipelines represent old technology, they should be removed for that fact alone. The oil companies were saving money by not removing them, they are unsightly and should be removed. Even with a permenant plug if the old wells are deemed profitable to reopen, they can revist them with not much difficulty. The infastructure would have needed replacement on alot of those old wells anyway due to age and wear if they were to be produced again.

    • 1 vote
    #1.14 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:49 AM EDT
    DeMock

    so it is a cost saving thing ...to leave the well in limbo. That makes sense.

    • 1 vote
    #1.15 - Sat Oct 2, 2010 1:05 AM EDT
    boattrash

    You have to force the oil companies to spend money on something that has no potential return, but they should clean up after themselves. I see they came out thursday with new regulation recomendations, but can't seem to find the list, everything depends on the wording.

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Sat Oct 2, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
    DeMock

    Given the upcoming election, I think both sides have decided to lay low. I hope that means they have drafted noncontroversial regulations... one can hope, right? :)

    (I haven't found them either)

    • 1 vote
    #1.17 - Sun Oct 3, 2010 12:02 AM EDT
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    Wheel

    Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers, Study Finds...
    When involved in head on collisions.

    :)

    Yeah, I know. Dark humor, someone lost someone to a drunk driver. So did I. It's called a joke, get over it.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:03 PM EDT
    onomatopoeia

    Dark humor, someone lost someone to a drunk driver. So did I. It's called a joke, get over it.

    Me too Wheel... Two family members in separate alcohol related accidents. I also appreciated the humor. I have heard that drunks tend to have a better survival rate in collisions than sober people.

    Although, this news is surprising. I am not a heavy drinker but I do imbibe enough to know that I did unneccessary damage the next day.

    • 3 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:00 AM EDT
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    so-whodat

    Sober people see the collision coming, get all stiff, brace themselves for it, and end up worse than the drunk. The drunk is so limbered up, and flexible, they just tumble and flop everwhere and thus less broken stuff......

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:05 AM EDT
    ArchaeuS

    So what if you drink very heavily for 1/2 of your life then give it up?

    Live a little longer than the non drinkers but less than the life long drunkard?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:07 AM EDT
    Freedom Writer-801740

    I'll drink to this!

    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT
    DeMock

    cheers!

      #5.1 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT
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      not over it

      I saw this a few weeks. Awesome news!

      • 1 vote
      Reply#6 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:20 PM EDT
      DeMock

      LOL!

        #6.1 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:44 AM EDT
        Reply
        bmx mom-902413

        I think I'll have a glass of wine after work tonight, maybe two.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#7 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
        DeMock

        BMX mom - please don't stop at one or two... we want you to live a long time! :)

          #7.1 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:20 PM EDT
          bmx mom-902413

          Thanks DeMock, I intend to be around for a long time.

          • 1 vote
          #7.2 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:55 AM EDT
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